Weaving through the back streets of Manchester’s bustling Northern Quarter, Cabbage
“Hang on – I might go down an alley now,” he bellows down the phone.
Since the band with perhaps the most absurd name in the
But for all the attention, it’s also been a difficult time for the group.
Last year, Lee was accused on social media of sexually assaulting a girl while interacting with the crowd during a Kasabian support slot in London. The band denied the allegations, which – after an investigation by the Academy Group – weren’t taken further.
Now, as they prepare to release their debut album – Nihilistic Death Shots, produced by The Coral’s James Skelly – later this month, Cabbage believe they are already marked men.
“It did create a bit of distrust and there is an extra layer of darkness on the album,” says Lee, whose band now support the Safe Gigs for Women initiative.
“The way it was taken out of context and brutalised – it did sadden us for a while.”
The Mossley five piece had already caused a stir by lashing out at The Sun, just for tipping them for success last year. “Don’t buy The Sun… [Rupert] Murdoch will lead us into worldwide demise,” they said in a statement at the time.
Lee now admits the attack against the newspaper – which gave them “a really great feeling” – was “reckless” but insists it’s something that he and his bandmates stand by.
“It feels like we were put on some sort of secret public enemy list and our time was always going to come when possibly someone was going to strike us.
“With social media there’s an actual lack of social conversation anymore… a lot of people want to put half-hearted comments on the internet without actually thinking them through.”
He adds: “Now we’re in a position though where we’ve got an album and been back on the road and we feel really confident in ourselves again.
“But I must admit it did take us a while to reform ourselves from what felt like a kicking.”
Having put out five EPs already since 2016, as well an effective ‘best of’ compilation in Young, Dumb…, the prolific BBC Sound of 2017 listees are long overdue their first full-length studio effort.
In truth, they’ve just been far too busy living in the moment.
“That’s why we’re calling it the ‘difficult debut album’,” jokes Lee.
“By the time we’ve released the album we’ll feel like we’ve honed our craft”.
Politically-charged live favourites like Uber Capitalist Death Trade, Terrorist Synthesiser and Necroflat in the Palace, which carries the refrain; “I was born in the NHS, I wanna die in the NHS,” will soon have to jostle for position in their setlist – with 12 new and equally inflammatory titles.
For example – lead single Celebration of a Disease, the dystopian Obligatory Castration and the BBC 6 Music-playlisted Arms of Pleonexia, which is about “the heinous arms trade which continues to thwart the world”.
“A lot of the songs are just about what’s been fascinating us at the moment,” says the singer, who shares frontman duties with pal Joe Martin.
“For me, any band that has anything about them in a political sense… how could they possibly avoid singing about subjects like that anyway?
“It’s a natural talking point for our age group, particularly now there’s a social political movement happening with Jeremy Corbyn, and a lot of young people are actually getting involved in politics.
“But quite a lot of songs we’ve written start with a title.
“Like Celebration of a Disease was a title before the music came and a title can be a perfect exposition where you can get a feel for a song and what you want to represent in the lyrics then the music can be the base to that.”
Cabbage’s tendency for relentless recording, unpredictable live shows and an appetite for self-destruction have seen them draw comparisons with fellow Manchester outsiders The Fall, who rewarded them with a hometown support slot in 2016.
Not before leader Mark E Smith, who died in January aged 60, had some “sharp words” – as Lee puts it – to say about the young pretenders.
Extra indie points for that.
That gig still remains a massive moment for the neo post-punks, who were working with ex-Fall member Simon ‘Ding’ Archer when the news of Smith’s death broke.
“It was quite a shock,” admits Lee.
“He was always one of those figureheads like Shane McGowan that you just expected would always be there. It’s the same with Lemmy; they’re completely immortal and invincible, so when they pass away it leaves a huge void.
“I think he’ll continue to inspire generations – it’s just a shame that we don’t get to hear his violent wisdom anymore.”
He went on: “We always wanted to have some form of release every year, something that The Fall miraculously managed for the last 45 years and what King Gizzard [& the Lizard Wizard] have taken to a whole other level.
“That was kind of a thing that we wanted to keep up with – that we’d be a production line.”
The Cabbage factory’s latest production includes a UK tour in April and a hometown special ‘Glamour at thee Ritz’ show, as well as a Manchester-based art exhibition to help fans visualise the album.
Look out for imagery to do with the occult – another of Lee’s latest fascinations.
Last year’s “Healing Brexit Towns” tour provided the shock rockers and their fans with an opportunity to “all get together and feel really sad”.
The band were firm Remain supporters in the 2016 referendum, which saw 52% of voters in the UK opting to leave the European Union.
“Everyone who came to our shows were people who were similar in politics to us so the crowds were really appreciative,” Lee says.
“Especially playing the smaller towns where people were really proud of where they were from but gutted they were part of this crazy crazy decision that is still not really making sense.”
As we end our conversation to allow Lee and the lads to continue their afternoon “quest” through the city’s backside in search of food and further inspiration, one is left feeling we should expect more noise, confusion and, most of all, the unexpected from Cabbage over the coming months.
“I suppose it spurs us on in a way” he concludes.
“Now there’s an expectation of us we try to find different things to talk about and ways we can change the show.
“For example we re-worked Tell Me Lies about Manchester into a basic acid house song to take the joke further but I don’t think we can possibly take that one any further any more!”
Cabbage’s debut album Nihilistic Glamour Shots is out on 30 March and they kick off their UK tour on 4 April in Abderdeen.