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‘You are hurting real people,’ Elizabeth Warren tells Trump appointee

'You are hurting real people,' Elizabeth Warren tells Trump appointee

An activist known as Monopoly Man, rear, listens during a Senate committee hearing with Mick Mulvaney, acting director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, on Thursday. (Toya Sarno Jordan/Bloomberg News)

After months of letter writing and political one-liners, two of Washington’s most strident adversaries met Thursday to debate the future of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

On one side was Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), who came up with the idea for the watchdog agency and has been among its most vocal supporters in Congress. On the other was Mick Mulvaney, who has spent years criticizing the CFPB as rogue agency that needed to be reined in before President Trump appointed him in November to be its temporary leader.

Warren questioned Mulvaney’s fitness to run the agency given the numerous times he had voted to get rid of the CFPB as a Republican congressman from South Carolina. “In 2012, you voted in favor of a Republican budget that called for eliminating the agency entirely. Is that right?” Warren asked.

Mulvaney said he didn’t have a “specific recollection” but that it “sounds familiar to me.” As the scene played out, an activist known as Monopoly Man and dressed in a top hat, monocle and a white mustache that grew larger throughout the hearing sat just within the camera frame.

Warren went on to cite a number of cases in which the agency had forced companies to return money to consumers, including a Massachusetts soldier given a scam car loan. That help wouldn’t have happened “if the CFPB had been abolished in 2012, just like you wanted,” she said. Mulvaney responded that those problems would have been addressed by other regulators, which Warren dismissed.

In Washington, it is not unusual for lawmakers to clash with the leaders of large government agencies. But the fight between Mulvaney and Warren is unique in part because neither side is typical. Mulvaney is not just a bureaucrat, but the White House budget director, who has also been rumored to be in the running to be the next chief of staff. Warren is not just a senator, but the brains behind the CFPB and is often rumored to be a potential 2020 presidential candidate.

The spat has helped put the CFPB at the center of a debate over the Trump administration’s efforts to roll back financial regulations. Since taking control of the agency, Mulvaney has promised it would adopt a more humble approach and not push the envelope as Republicans complained it had done during the Obama administration. He recently proposed stripping the CFPB of some of its power and making it less independent of Congress, exasperating Democrats such as Warren.

Part of Mulvaney’s mission, it appears, has also been to disentangle the CFPB from the person perhaps most closely associated with it: Warren. After helping set up the agency in the wake of the global financial crisis, Warren was widely seen as a leading candidate to be its first director but was passed over after the Obama administration worried that Republicans would hold up her nomination. Even after she moved on to the Senate, Warren has remained closely tied to the CFPB. After Trump was elected, Warren visited employees at CFPB headquarters, taking selfies and offering pep talks, according to the Boston Globe.

“I don’t want us to be Elizabeth Warren’s baby,” Mulvaney said at a conference of community bankers this week. “Because as long as you’re associated with one person, be it me or her, you’re never going to be taken as seriously as a bureaucracy, as an oversight regulator, as you probably should.”

In fact, Mulvaney sometimes appears to relish his role as Warren’s foil. “All the stuff that you’ve read about me and the CFPB, I urge you to take with a grain of salt — except the part about me keeping Elizabeth Warren up at night,” Mulvaney told a group of state attorneys general in February.

At the hearing Thursday, Warren lashed out at Mulvaney over those remarks. “You’ve taken obvious joy in talking about how the agency will help banks a lot more than it will help consumers and how upset this must make me. But here’s what you don’t get, Mr. Mulvaney: This isn’t about me,” Warren said. “You are hurting real people to score cheap political points.”

Until now, Mulvaney and Warren’s beef has been largely relegated to a war of words and lots and lots of paper. Warren has sent the CFPB more than half a dozen letters questioning the director’s decisions and proposed changes to the CFPB. In a 17-page letter last month, Warren said Mulvaney had provided “evasive, misleading, or incomplete answers” to 105 of the 125 questions she had posed in her previous letters. Mulvaney responded, in part, by thanking Warren for acknowledging that he was the agency’s acting director, an issue still the subject of a court battle: “I believe that is the first time you have done that; I think it accurately reflects the state of things at the bureau.”

To be sure, Warren is not the only senator critical of Mulvaney’s tenure at the CFPB. At the hearing, some lawmakers questioned his decision to review a CFPB rule finalized last year to rein in payday lenders. Others criticized his decision to pay four senior political staff members $259,500, more than members of Congress and Cabinet secretaries receive.

“Not only did he replace nonpartisan career staff with his political allies, he gave them enormous salaries,” said Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio).

Mulvaney has rejected those criticisms and said he was working to overhaul an agency in need of more oversight. “I am trying to be a good bureaucrat. I never thought I would say that, but that is my job, and I am trying to enforce the law, vigorously when necessary,” Mulvaney said.

Mulvaney also had to address another foil, Leandra English, during the hearing. English, chief of staff under the bureau’s former director, Richard Cordray, also claims to be the acting director. Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) asked Mulvaney what English was doing with her time.

“I honestly don’t know,” Mulvaney said. “I am trying to be careful here, senator, because she’s suing me. But I have never met her.”

English asked the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia on Thursday to rule that she is the rightful leader of the bureau. During the hearing, Judge Patricia Millett, an Obama appointee, questioned whether Mulvaney could independently run the CFPB while simultaneously serving as director of the Office of Management and Budget. “Everything the CFPB director decides is going to be approved by the OMB director,” Millett said.

Republicans, meanwhile, praised Mulvaney’s tenure at the CFPB at the Senate hearing. He received a similar reception Wednesday before the House Financial Services Committee of which he was formerly a member. After years of lashing out at the agency during the Obama administration, Republicans have turned into cheerleaders of Mulvaney’s leadership.

“I personally believe you bring a ray of sunshine to a black hole of bureaucracy,” said Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.). “I think you’re on the right track.”

Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.) added: “I think you’re doing a great job. I don’t care what Senator Warren says,” as he motioned toward the Massachusetts senator’s side of the dais.

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